鈥淟ot of times, we鈥檙e drinking or we鈥檙e high, you know, and I say stupid shit.鈥� Coming from a teenager, may invoke memories of your own adolescence. But carried by the voice of then-53-year-old Joe Rogan defending his off-the-cuff, on-the-air remarks about COVID vaccines in young adults, it reeks of arrested development.
Rogan, whose CV includes the television shows NewsRadio and Fear Factor, is, by, a 鈥渃age-fighting commentator鈥� and a 鈥渄irty stand-up comedian.鈥� But his influence on the health landscape can be felt the most through The Joe Rogan Experience, his long-form interview podcast now exclusively available on Spotify thanks to.
And that influence is considerable given the scale of Rogan鈥檚 podcasting platform, which a few numbers can contextualize.
1920 and counting. That鈥檚 since its beginning eleven years ago, and that number goes up by three or four each week. The is roughly 2.5 hours. It would take close to seven sleepless months to listen to them all.
28.7 million. That鈥檚 on the most recent show Rogan hosted with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
200 million. That鈥檚 the show was asserting in 2019, before the move to Spotify. For this same year, the all have millions of views each, and they generated additional clicks through audio podcasting apps. This regularly put Rogan鈥檚 show above for Fox News (2.5 million viewers), MSNBC (1.8 million viewers), and CNN (972,000 viewers). There is since moving behind the great Spotify wall, but his reach.
The Joe Rogan Experience often feels like being a fly on the wall in a teenager鈥檚 basement apartment. The parents are upstairs, watching Carlson, Maddow or Cooper, and we鈥檙e downstairs, listening in on private conversations that reveal mind-blowing facts about the world. These conversations, serpentine and unpredictable, fill the air of Rogan鈥檚 online and informal equivalent of a gentlemen鈥檚 club. Indeed, a whopping are men, as well as according to a MediaMonitors survey in 2020. The average age of his listeners according to the same survey is 24.
Rogan has an undeniable appeal to young men who are trying opinions and ideologies on for size. To them, social media may appear superficial and political commentators on American television may seem hopelessly biased. Rogan comes across as a neutral, curious, and relatable host sharing deep, unfiltered conversations with experts and celebrities. No artifice, no sound bites. Just Joe and his inquisitiveness.
Many of his shows feature mixed martial artists and comedians but others focus on health, and that is where his apparent neutrality crumbles and his inclinations become hazardous. Speaking to comedian Bill Burr about COVID-19 while smoking cigars, Rogan said, half-humorously, half-seriously, that Testosterone is not in short supply on The Joe Rogan Experience. As Matthew Remski, co-host of the Conspirituality podcast,, 鈥渋n the rugged country of bros, there are no communities, but rather collections of homogenous, self-contained, self-responsible individuals.鈥� And the gentlemen鈥檚 club of Rogan鈥檚 podcast has had a disreputable clientele of so-called 鈥渟elf-responsible individuals.鈥�
Rogan platformed Dr. Andrew Weil, one of the kings of promoting unproven and disproven pseudomedical remedies, who ridiculed the idea that placebo effects needed to be ruled out from studies. For the record, they have to be subtracted, though, because they represent non-specific effects of everything but the intervention. However, Weil claimed enthusiastically that they should be ruled in because This shows a stunning misunderstanding of scientific research.
Rogan also hosted Bret Weinstein, a former biology professor turned podcasting conspiracy theorist, and Dr. Pierre Kory, a critical care physician, for an emergency broadcast on the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 during which the taking of this antiparasitic drug was said to yield 鈥渘ear-perfect protection鈥� against the disease. This is not the case.
Abigail Shrier was welcomed on the show to talk about her provocatively titled book, Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. The book promotes a made-up diagnosis, 鈥渞apid-onset gender dysphoria,鈥� to breathe new life into the cyclical moral panic surrounding children. The website Science-Based Medicine, following the publication of an endorsement of the book by one of its editors, posted, written by actual experts. Meanwhile, Rogan as 鈥渟tepping in to a developing baby that鈥檚 only been alive for six years and shooting chemicals into its body [鈥 to hormonally interact with their body in some sort of a random, Dr. Frankenstein sort of way.鈥� To be this clueless beggars belief.
Being interested in nutrition, Rogan has also aired long conversations with people on the topic of diets. Perhaps the strangest of all was with Mikhaila Peterson, who is not a dietitian, claiming that a diet consisting exclusively of beef and salt cured her arthritis. There are many, many problems with this 鈥渃arnivore diet,鈥� and it baffles me that Peterson is someone Rogan would look to for insight on what to eat.
And then there鈥檚 Alex Jones. The shock jock has embraced invented by humanity, from the existence of a New World Order to 鈥淗urricane Katrina was a test of FEMA concentration camps.鈥� He was sued for defamation by the families of ten people killed in the Sandy Hook school mass shooting, as he had repeatedly alleged that the massacre was a false flag operation and that the victims鈥� families were actors.. Jones has been Rogan鈥檚 guest.
Rogan does not necessarily endorse what his guests say鈥攈e鈥檚 just asking questions鈥攂ut he bullhorns their pseudoscientific and conspiracy-laden views to millions of audience members. To Alex Jones, he said, He subsumes calls for responsible platforming under a general defence of free speech. 鈥淐ensoring is bad,鈥� goes the thinking, 鈥渢herefore the best thing to do is to platform as many iconoclasts as possible, to make sure their claims reach the ears of millions of people who can then decide for themselves where the truth lies.鈥� Which leads to Alex Jones telling tens of millions of people that 鈥渢hey鈥� are coming to your house demanding a COVID test and if you don鈥檛 agree,. And although Rogan often pushes Jones for evidence on his claims, he has still platformed a paranoid lunatic (or a man who for profits) who once said that through a pedophilia ring found in the non-existent basement of a pizza joint.
A colossal reach like Rogan鈥檚 requires maturity, especially in the middle of an infodemic. But in clinging to the teenage desire to hear things that鈥檒l blow your mind, the podcaster with a golden megaphone broadcasts lies, fantasies, and bad medical advice.
Living on the cutting edge
Joe Rogan鈥檚 attraction to pseudoscience wasn鈥檛 born with COVID. Like so many people passionate about fitness, Rogan is always looking for an edge. He has promoted, even posting a photo of himself inside a cryochamber on his personal Instagram account which has 13.5 million followers. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has said this therapy has While the promoted claims may look scientific, they are based on a lot of hot air.
Rogan has also repeatedly publicized stem cell injections as miraculous treatments. They apparently, and Rogan had Mel Gibson on to talk about how a stem cell treatment in Panama, improving his thinking, his eyesight, 鈥渁nd other stuff [鈥 that he would hate for me to talk about!鈥� Anecdotes are not hard evidence, but the confessional atmosphere of the podcast gives these medical claims the weight of cutting-edge secrets. Make no mistake: stem cell research holds tremendous potential, but the current industry of stem cell tourism (and the growing creep of) is. Its claims are and.
The air of secrecy that surrounds these therapies鈥攄iscovered through a personal network of would-be pioneers that Rogan鈥檚 status has allowed him to build鈥攊s also seen in the conspiracy theories he has embraced in the past. Moon hoaxes and Roswell aliens were frequent fodder in the early days of his podcast. One of his favourite guests is Graham Hancock, with, who wrote one of Rogan鈥檚 favourite books, Fingerprints of the Gods. In it, Hancock theorizes that an advanced civilization forgotten by historians existed in our distant past and was nearly wiped out, with survivors bringing their arcane knowledge to Egypt and the Americas. This kind of pseudoarchaeological hypothesis pushes all the right buttons: it鈥檚 revolutionary knowledge heretofore hidden from view and uncovered by a Galileo figure. This is heroin for the adolescent mind.
With COVID, Rogan鈥檚 habit for embracing pseudoscience and the rugged individualism that often puts him at odds with public health landed him in hot water with the media. COVID is, he鈥檇 say. Ivermectin is a perfect storm against COVID: And, infamously, if you鈥檙e a healthy 21-year-old, you don鈥檛 need to get the COVID vaccine. When confronted, Rogan simply says, But he鈥檚 a moron with influence.
A survey commissioned by The Washington Post revealed that Rogan鈥檚 listeners were than those who do not regularly listen, with an 18% lower intent in February 2021. It would be foolish to infer that Rogan single-handedly swayed these people: many are drawn to him because of his libertarian tendencies and his suspicion of public health recommendations. But given the magnitude of his audience and its young average age, it would be equally foolish to pretend Rogan鈥檚 misinformed opinions have no effect. When quarterback Aaron Rodgers caught the disease, he took. Whose advice was he following? Joe Rogan鈥檚.
Spotify, the company that exclusively platforms his podcast, says it will not allow which is ludicrous. First, audio content is. Second, Rogan has proved to be too much of a draw for Spotify to risk their business relationship. Australian misinformer Pete Evans had his podcast for 鈥渄angerous, false, deceptive, and misleading content about COVID-19.鈥� Even though the same label could be applied to Rogan鈥檚 show, similar action has not been taken. Spotify did from its catalogue, including those with comedian Chris D鈥橢lia (accused of soliciting nude photos from teenagers) and with far-right figures. But the COVID misinformation remains on the playlist for now.
The cycle of excitement
Whenever Joe Rogan is trending on social media, Dr. Danielle Belardo, a cardiologist, tweets out, She is referring to Gwyneth Paltrow鈥檚 wellness emporium, propped up by a foundation of pseudoscience. Indeed, Joe Rogan is a walking incubator for supplements. A fansite keeping close tabs on what the podcaster says reports that, during the pandemic, Rogan received of vitamin C, zinc, glutathione, and NAD. At 40, he started testosterone replacement therapy. The site also lists a preposterous list of supplements Rogan has at least experimented with, from glucosamine to cannabidiol tincture, from quercetin to nootropics, including Onnit鈥檚 Alpha Brain, which the company started making it at Rogan鈥檚 suggestion and which. He says the supplement, which contains ingredients meant to increase levels of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, makes him mentally sharper. But while supplements can treat deficiencies, they don鈥檛 grant superpowers if you take more of them. Are the amounts in Alpha Brain enough to do anything? How do they interact together? The usual skepticism of the supplement industry should apply here. We are, after all, in the same territory as Alex Jones鈥� own.
There is another angle to the Rogan-Paltrow comparison: both hint at wealth being an important gateway to health. Rogan鈥檚 stack of supplements costs money. So does furnished with high-quality fitness and combat sport equipment. The Iron Neck, the glute-ham developer, the iron kettlebells with the ape faces sculpted into them, discussed on the air and Instagrammed for millions to salivate over, paint a familiar picture of aspirational wellness. Health is a personal choice that a multimillionaire can easily afford. Masks, after all, are for b*tches. But the metaphorical mask does slip when, despite a pantry full of supplements, Rogan did get COVID and did not trust his pantry to save him. He reached for: monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, the antibiotic azithromycin, prednisone, and extra drips of NAD and vitamins. Everything money could conjure up was used in the wake of, as he put it, 鈥渙ne bad day.鈥�
Despite many of his critics calling Rogan a meathead, he鈥檚 not dumb. But his thinking is biased in ways that make pseudoscience look titillating. Faced with a new supplement or new intervention, his brain seems to lean on the same shortcuts. Is this new? Does it challenge the status quo? Has it not yet been endorsed by the medical establishment? Does it feel objective to me and well-reasoned? Is it recommended by a friend of mine, possibly an expert I鈥檝e had on the show who鈥檚 cutting-edge? And are they being censored or criticized in some way? Consensus is not sexy when you鈥檙e attracted to innovation. Rogan wants secret knowledge from his rogue experts who can tell him what looks promising in the lab. He wants to beat the lab mice to it. And he鈥檒l bank on his personal experience to decide if it works or not, even when he admits that, it鈥檚 hard to know if the umpteenth addition to the lot made a difference. But no worries because the cycle of excitement gets to start again with another shiny thing.
In the background of all this is an anti-establishment sentiment. Mainstream medicine is boring and too slow to pick up on novelty, is the message. The mainstream media attempts to control the narrative with lies. CNN, in fact, did lie about Rogan by. Ivermectin can be used to deworm horses but it can also be used in humans, and Rogan said he got human-grade ivermectin from a medical doctor, not a vet. What CNN did affects its credibility.
But you cannot sow distrust in mainstream establishments and not expect people to seek out an alternative. But is the alternative better? If the pharmaceutical industry puts money ahead of patients, any off-patent drug pushed by an even-keeled contrarian is a cure-all. If CNN is found to slant its coverage, Rogan鈥檚 audience should watch Tim Pool, an independent pundit with a heavily biased, faux-journalistic body of work who. According to Rogan, the mainstream media is Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to the numerous problems with the alternatives because the mainstream sometimes misses the mark?
Rogan wants us to drift away from 鈥渢he establishment鈥� and listen to the siren song of its 鈥渇reedom鈥�-chanting critics. Its secrets are whispering to us. Joe Rogan鈥檚 popularity mesmerizes and suggests we must listen to him or miss out on the experimental magic. But the real secret may just be this: we don鈥檛 have to listen to him.
